August 11, 2020
A PIWIS is the factory developed diagnostic and repair tool. It stands
for Porsche Integrated Workshop Information System. Porsche dealer
technicians use this tool to perform a multitude of diagnostic and
repair functions on your car. There are 3 generations of testers, the
original which I believe can handle cars up to the 2014 model year, the
PIWIS II which handles cars up to and including the 2017 model year and
the current PIWIS III which handles all cars including the 2020 model
year. Naturally if your car is under warranty, then you don’t need this
tool. Let the dealer handle any issues that come up. However, if you
have a Porsche which is off warranty, watch out, your dealer charges
crazy high hourly rates, mine is currently at $269 an hour, and also
charges you parts at full retail. Go to a dealer for a brake job, and he
will quote you $4000. You can do it yourself for $600, $900 with
factory parts. Need an O2 sensor changed? There are 4 on a Porsche and
the dealer will quote you $1200 for one, and then will recommend that
they be changed in pairs so now you are looking at $2,400. A quick
lookup on Rockauto.com shows you can buy a Bosch OEM O2 sensor for $60.
Luckily, the 02 sensor change does not require a PIWIS but the rear
rotors do as many have discovered here after doing their brakes. As many
of you have noted, you can only lease a PIWIS from Porsche if you are a
member of their PPN. Porsche Partner Network. Your local shop can apply
to become a member and then pay $18,000 for his tester for the first
year and $12,000 a year after that. Very few shops will pay that to
repair only one model of car. Luckily our friends in China have cloned
the PIWIS. It’s a little buggy and wont update since you aren’t
connected to the PPN but the Chinese have disabled the function which
tells the interface tool to check with the factory to see if it is
legit. What is it, it’s basically a pc with some added software and a
special interface between the car and the PC ThePIWIS II is a Vista based ( yikes) windows pc The Chinese have improved on it,
adding an SSD and some have updated the OS to Windows 7 but I don’t
recommend that version. The PIWIS III I haven’t seen yet so I don’t know
if it is still a windows pc. Both version have a multimeter function
built in but the Chinese version of the PIWIS II doesn’t ship with those
cables. The PIWIS III has a built in multimeter and oscilloscope and
the cables are included. You see the interface online for the PIWIS II
for $369 but that doesn’t include the necessary software. Buy the entire
device for $769 which includes a pc, software, interface and car
connect cables. APiwis III sells for $1999 down from $6500 last year. Look at this web site as an
example of how sophisticated the clone market is. You can’t tell the
difference between a factory tool and a clone. Now why do you or your
mechanic need one? Well here’s what you can do without one
Change spark plugs and ignition coils. (The engine module is self calibrating and will learn new parts automatically)
Change front rotors and pads
Change switches,
Change washers, wipers window motors, door locks
Change most engine sensors
Change your own oil (but you won’t be able to reset the service interval)
Change differential oil
Change battery (But you won’t be able to tell the car you changed it)
Change bulbs
Here are some basic things that you can do that require a PIWIS
Change the rear rotors
Change any suspension parts
Change seat motors
Change any control modules (There are 27 of them) All need to be coded with the VIN of the car
Change the battery and record the change with the gateway module
Reset the service interval
Change the PDK oil (you can actually do the PDK fluid change without the
PIWIIS , well a simple fluid change, you might need it if you replace
the PDK filter. the reason you might want a PIWIS for the fluid change
is to monitor oil temperature. The V8 needs the oil to be a certain
temperature for all the oil in the cooler to drain. The v6 wants a
certain temperature to be hit behold you check the level in the top up
procedure. In both cases you could likely run the car for ten miles to
achieve the temperature).
Change headlight components that aren’t bulbs
Change clock spring ( will require codes which only the dealer can get but you can buy from the Chinese
Most importantly, as many of you have discovered, it is nearly
impossible to diagnose repair issues without one. The Durametric device
just doesn’t come close to providing the information you need and many
of the error code labels it provides are simply wrong and will lead you
changing parts that don’t need changing. At $769 which is less than 3
hours labor, you can see everything a dealer can see about your car. I
have a 2 and I’m going to a 3. If anyone is interested, I can try to
post a video of the PIWIS II. It has a simulation mode for training
purposes which is helpful. There are 4 programs in the PIWIS, the
diagnostic, which is the main program for service, a wiring diagram
program, a fault finding program which I haven’t found to be useful
running offline and the multimeter function.
If you can share one with a buddy or some Porsche meetup groups that
would be ideal. My recommendation, don’t let anyone do repairs on your
car that doesn’t have one.
Here are some basic pictures
This is a Porsche PIWIS II which was originally on a Panasonic toughbook shown here
The menu options
This is the unit going into the diagnostic program and it shows a picture of the interface.
Parking brake module extended Identifications. This is where you can change the VIN on a used part or add it for a new part
Part 2: Why you need one piwis III instead of piwis II?
For the newest Porsche model after 2017 year (i.e 2018 Macan), requires piwis tester 3;
For the older Porsche model (i.e a 99 Boxster), don’t need the newest version, then piwis 2 is okay.
Question: As I’m researching this myself, given that you don’t have a
model year that requires it, what is driving you to upgrade from piwis
II, to piwis III? Is it just this: "The PIWIS III testerhas a built in
multimeter and oscilloscope and the cables are included.â€, or other
factors that you can note here, for reference?
Reply:
I also have a 2018 Macan that requires the piwis3. I hope to help people
in my community and I also plan to rebuild another. I’m excited my
PIWIS III arrives tomorrow. I will review after I test it out. I have
PSM module arriving Saturday that will need the module replacement
procedure.
An interesting thing happened to me the other day. I had just received my PIWIS III and was going to use it to change out the PSM module and before I did I had it run a full diagnostic. At the time I didn’t realize that the unit was in development mode. My PIWIS 2 would only show one code, a faulty recirculation servomotor which I have struggled to physically change due to its location. When the diagnostic was complete two things happened; one I realized it was in development mode since all the responses were in German (in development mode the menus can be changed to English but the responses from the modules appear in German) And two there were more error codes. After having Google translate the German responses I discover that the b piller servomotors were mechanically jammed. It also found a fault in the brake light switch which was working properly. I switched the unit to after sales mode( the dealer mode) and those codes weren’t there Then I used the unit to monitor the servomotors in question. What I discovered was that they were indeed not moving from 0 to 100. After finally figuring out where they were located (under the front seats) I pulled one out and took it apart and the motor shaft was seized. Un seizing it didn’t do enough to fix it so I ordered 3(one for the recirc). Anyways the point is that developers mode not only tested the motors it tried to run them from stop to stop which normal mode does not. The brake light switch after checking the voltage while pressing on the switch was showing only 7 volts so it was partially shorted something else missed by the regular mode. If you have mysterious issues with no codes and have access to Porsche tester, try running it in development or engineering mode as it is sometimes called, and see if it reveals any new codes.
Question:
Do you know if it is possible to activate the rear DRL and the LED Matrix headlamps with the PIWIS III?
Answer:
activation codes are not included with the tester. You can add them if
you have them but this is an online programming function and the dealer
must pay Porsche for the options that he installed. When he sends a work
order to Porsche he receives the activation codes then enters them into
the PIWIS. Now there are some Russians who have hacked porches codes
and will sell you an activation code for new options. I haven’t tried
them but I did pay $125 for my original activation codes so I code
reprogram a pcm and a new clock spring.
Question: PIWIS III clone or original, which one should i buy?
Answer:
I recall now that I encountered a Chinese PIWIS at a local "indy†shop. I
had my Turbo in there in Sep. of 2019 to get new O2 sensors installed
and the tech — recently from the local Porsche dealer I use — was there
and after the sensors were replaced he grabbed what looked like a PIWIS
but when I expressed surprise that an indy shop would own one he told me
it wasn’t the real thing but a Chinese clone. He said it worked pretty
good.
Question:
PIWIS Chinese knock-off is way too expensive for me and offers no online updates. Is it true?
Answer: No. It depends on where you buy one Porsche Piwis3, this one comes with U disk update tool and allows user to update online:
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